Monday, December 22, 2008

The Big Cheese Bail-Out

Read about it here.

13 comments:

Douglas Porter said...

If the Italians want to save their tradition, that's their decision. Big cheese is not the center of the Italian economy, however.

Josh said...

Unfortunately, the Italians who don't want to save their tradition will be forced to pay taxes into a government that says they must.

Douglas Porter said...

"Unfortunately, the Italians who don't want to save their tradition will be forced to pay taxes into a government that says they must."

OH MY GOD NO! THE ITALIANS LIVE UNDER A DEMOCRATIC GOVERNMENT! OH MY GOD! DEMOCRATIC GOVERNMENT ASSUMES THAT THE LOSERS RESPECT THE DECISIONS OF THE MAJORITY! OH MY GOD! STOP COMPLAINING UNLESS YOU HAVE A LOGICAL ALTERNATIVE! OH MY GOD!

Josh said...

"OH MY GOD NO! THE ITALIANS LIVE UNDER A DEMOCRATIC GOVERNMENT! OH MY GOD! DEMOCRATIC GOVERNMENT ASSUMES THAT THE LOSERS RESPECT THE DECISIONS OF THE MAJORITY! OH MY GOD! STOP COMPLAINING UNLESS YOU HAVE A LOGICAL ALTERNATIVE! OH MY GOD!"

I love how you mock the trampling of individual rights and civil liberties. The obvious fallacy in democracy is that the majority of people typically make the wrong decision. Remember, individuals are intelligent, people are not.

Josh said...

The obvious fallacy in democracy is that the majority of people typically make the wrong decision...

AND

everyone else suffers for it.

Douglas Porter said...

"I love how you mock the trampling of individual rights and civil liberties. The obvious fallacy in democracy is that the majority of people typically make the wrong decision. Remember, individuals are intelligent, people are not."

Sorry, bub, individuals who opine X and individuals who opine Y. Such a situation = democracy. Now, if you are in favor of a dictatorship, then come out into the open and start supporting it.

Josh said...

"Sorry, bub, individuals who opine X and individuals who opine Y. Such a situation = democracy. Now, if you are in favor of a dictatorship, then come out into the open and start supporting it."

I like the idea of a representative republic bound by a constitution which protects the rights of individuals.

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Douglas Porter said...

"I like the idea of a representative republic bound by a constitution which protects the rights of individuals."

How about amendments? Are you for an amendment process? Or are your "rights" the rights of an authoritarian who thinks he knows what is right for everyone?

Josh said...

"How about amendments? Are you for an amendment process? Or are your "rights" the rights of an authoritarian who thinks he knows what is right for everyone?"

I like amendments. The point is, an individual may think he knows what is right for everyone, even 60% of the population may think they know what is right for everyone, but they should not be able to place a law dictating to other 40% how they are supposed to live.

Douglas Porter said...

"I like amendments. The point is, an individual may think he knows what is right for everyone, even 60% of the population may think they know what is right for everyone, but they should not be able to place a law dictating to other 40% how they are supposed to live."

THEN YOU ARE AGAINST THE CONSTITUTION... HELLO! THE AMENDMENT PROCESS IS SPECIFICALLY ABOUT TELLING OTHER PEOPLE WHAT RIGHTS THEY HAVE AND HOW THEY SHOULD LIVE...

Josh said...

"THEN YOU ARE AGAINST THE CONSTITUTION... HELLO! THE AMENDMENT PROCESS IS SPECIFICALLY ABOUT TELLING OTHER PEOPLE WHAT RIGHTS THEY HAVE AND HOW THEY SHOULD LIVE..."

Thank you for the caps. It does well to communicate your frustration.

The amendment process is about outlining the right individuals have, but it is not about telling people how they SHOULD live. Amendments guiding principles or recommendations. Assuming the word "should" was just a sloppy mistake, amendments aren't about telling people how they have to live either.

Douglas Porter said...

"Thank you for the caps. It does well to communicate your frustration."

That, or I just like caps and am making fun of you.

"The amendment process is about outlining the right individuals have, but it is not about telling people how they SHOULD live. Amendments guiding principles or recommendations. Assuming the word "should" was just a sloppy mistake, amendments aren't about telling people how they have to live either."

Yes they are. The Bill of Rights is a document that outlines the shoulds of government. The amendment process is the processes of removing or adding more shoulds.