Friday, March 12, 2010

Southern Avenger: Why "The Hurt Locker" Hurts

21 comments:

Chris said...

Obama is not chanting the same thing as Bush, Josh, but he and his administration sure are silent on the point, which is almost the same thing.

Chris said...

The Obama admin stated that they were going into Afghanistan to get Osama and then was quiet on the subject.

Chris said...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yXxBAOXCqEw

At 0:59 Obama states his position on Al Qaeda.


The Southern "Avenger" is lying to you, Josh. Educate yourself.

Furlong said...

Sorry...can you quote something said in this video that's a lie?

Chris said...

Er, the first important premise (that Obama is the same as Bush on Afghanistan)?

Chris said...

1:51

Furlong said...

That Obama is still over there and has escalated the war is a de facto support for Bush foreign policy.

Chris said...

Not at all. He has stated the correct reason for being in Afghanistan: to stop the Islamic extremists that do not, as he said, represent all of the Muslim world.

Furlong said...

The Southern Avenger was speaking as to why the extremists hate us. He was quote Michael Scheuer who said Obama was continuing the Bush-Clinton-Bush mantra that they hate us because we're free, but really they hate us because we're over there.

That Obama has escalated the war in Afghanistan is a default acknowledgment that the supports the mantra that they hate us because we're free, and not because we're over there.

Chris said...

Yet "they" no longer includes the entire Muslim world.

Furlong said...

It really didn't with Bush either.

Chris said...

http://muslimrepublicans.net/Article.asp?ID=164

Interesting.

Furlong said...

Thank you.

Chris said...

I'll come over to your side when you provide a quote of Obama stating that the Islamic extremists hate the West because it is free.

Furlong said...

I don't think I'd be able to find that quote.

Its a moot point as far as I'm concerned.

Scheuer is incorrect to call it a mantra (although, he might be able to provide proof that there is a mantra that has permeated the past 4 presidencies). I just figure, its obvious these people are pissed off that the US is over there and the US leaders do not care.

Bush had to push the "they hate us because we're free" line because he was taking the most drastic actions.

Chris said...

Bush may have made speeches friendly to Muslims, but his administration definitely did state that the extremists hated freedom.

Furlong said...

I still do not think the Avenger (Jack Hunter) lied about anything.

Furlong said...

Obama is simply using 9/11 as his excuse, ignoring the whole question of "why?".

In the end, none of this matters.

Chris said...

"I just figure, its obvious these people are pissed off that the US is over there"

This much is true, because Obama has continued and extended the war in Afghanistan. That's enough.

"Obama is simply using 9/11 as his excuse, ignoring the whole question of "why?".

In the end, none of this matters."

Of course it matters. Subtle propaganda is the poison that permeates our generation.

Again, 9/11 is not excuse, the extremists do give the Muslim world a bad name, Obama is right for going in there. He has never said it was because "they hate freedom".

Again, find me a quote where he or one of his administration members said such a thing.

Furlong said...

"Of course it matters. Subtle propaganda is the poison that permeates our generation."

It matters, but not for the purpose of this conversation.

"Again, 9/11 is not excuse, the extremists do give the Muslim world a bad name, Obama is right for going in there. He has never said it was because "they hate freedom"."

Then why does he think we need to be there?

Christopher Furlong: said...

Because they killed 3000 Americans and threaten to do it again? Sounds like a good reason to me..