Wednesday, August 12, 2009

Krugman Owned By Canadians

17 comments:

Christopher said...

If they are idiots like Gratzer they probably would put up their hands. Remember, in a capitalist system it is not "take of people", but "how much money can I make off of them".

Josh said...

Not sure what you mean. The Canadians could be paid lobbyists for all I care; Krugman's arrogance is what I find entertaining. He should never have set himself up like that.

Christopher said...

Political operatives are the people who usually show up at these meetings. Political operatives make money off of tearing down the public sector. Schiff is one of those people. Therefore, it is not a surprise that 7/7 raised their hands. Krugman is more guilty of not thinking, than arrogance.

Josh said...

He should have had some understanding of who his audience was. I didn't think because his mind was clouded by his arrogance. Did you not see the smug look on his face?

Christopher said...

I'm not automatically opposed to him, so, no, I didn't see the "smug look". What I saw was a confident person making assumption, an assumption that is usually correctly when the retard, right-wing activists haven't filled the hall.

Josh said...

You don't automatically oppose him, but you automatically think anyone who doesn't like the Canadian health care system is a right wing activist. I'm glad you only allow your prejudices affect some of your assumptions.

Christopher said...

That's basically what I think, yes. And, yes, no one on the left is opposes health care. OBVIOUSLY. It is one of the fundamental definitions of being left-of-center. Now, you might not agree with the left-right spectrum, but that doesn't give you the right to deny it or redefine it.

Josh said...

"And, yes, no one on the left is opposes health care. OBVIOUSLY."

There are certainly people on the left in Canada who do not like the Canadian health care system. Ask the 6000 patients in Vancouver who are having their necessary surgeries cut. I'm sure you'll find a few lefties in there who aren't happy with the Canadian health care system.

You can support socialized medicine and not like a particular health care system at the same time.

As far as the left to right spectrum goes, I certainly can deny it as it over generalizes political perspectives and is used as propaganda pieces lumping perfectly well behaving individuals in with extremists on both ends. It's inaccurate and serves no intellectual use.

Christopher said...

"There are certainly people on the left in Canada who do not like the Canadian health care system. Ask the 6000 patients in Vancouver who are having their necessary surgeries cut. I'm sure you'll find a few lefties in there who aren't happy with the Canadian health care system."

Yes, but they are unhappy because the RIGHT WING HAS CUT FUNDING. THAT'S WHY THEY ARE UNHAPPY.

"You can support socialized medicine and not like a particular health care system at the same time."

Actually, it is the other emphasis. You can support socialized medicine and hate those who cut its funding AT THE SAME TIME.

"As far as the left to right spectrum goes, I certainly can deny it as it over generalizes political perspectives and is used as propaganda pieces lumping perfectly well behaving individuals in with extremists on both ends. It's inaccurate and serves no intellectual use."

Nope, you can't. And, no, making the statement "It's inaccurate and serves no intellectual purpose" doesn't prove a thing. Instead, you have to make that statement and THEN ARGUE WHY IT IS INACCURATE.

Josh said...

"Yes, but they are unhappy because the RIGHT WING HAS CUT FUNDING. THAT'S WHY THEY ARE UNHAPPY."

Please support the claim that the conservatives have cut any funding to health care. I dare you. It would be political suicide for them.

"You can support socialized medicine and hate those who cut its funding AT THE SAME TIME."

That's true. However I'm unaware of any socialized health care system in the west that has had its funding cut.

"you have to make that statement and THEN ARGUE WHY IT IS INACCURATE."

Because I am as far away from being a right-wing, big government, big war machine, social conservative as I am from being a communist, and I'm certainly not a centrist. So by definition, there need to be more than just 1 plan in which we define political perspectives.

Christopher said...

"Please support the claim that the conservatives have cut any funding to health care. I dare you. It would be political suicide for them."

Not increasing health care spending in relation to the costs of health care is de facto cuts. The system assumes funding. The convservatives do not want to increase funding. They are therefore cutting the system by sitting on their hands.

And yes, they have made cuts. Just google it.

http://www.nationalpost.com/news/canada/story.html?id=1881155

http://www.policyalternatives.ca/index.cfm?act=news&call=1087&do=article&pA=BB736455

If the liberals cut the system and Harper is not increasing funding, then it follows that Harper is cutting the system by not doing anything.

"We also support the exploration of alternative ways to deliver health care. Moving toward alternatives, including those provided by the private sector, is a natural development of our health care system."
- Stephen Harper, Toronto Star, October 2002.



"It's past time the feds scrapped the Canada Health Act."
- Stephen Harper, then Vice-President of the National Citizens Coalition, 1997.



"What we clearly need is experimentation with market reforms and private delivery options [in health care]."
- Stephen Harper, then President of the NCC, 2001.

The liberal masked liberals also cut health care.

Josh said...

"If the liberals cut the system and Harper is not increasing funding, then it follows that Harper is cutting the system by not doing anything."

Harper isn't in charge of funding BC's health care system. Its the responsibility of the province, which is currently ruled by a left of center political party which is cutting 6000 surgeries.

And yes, Harper is pro-private alternatives to health care. We've known this for a long time. What I said was that his government has not cut health care funding; the hypocritical liberals and NDP would be all over him and he'd fold like a pancake just like he did last fall when under pressure to take this country into a deficit.

Christopher said...

"Harper isn't in charge of funding BC's health care system. Its the responsibility of the province, which is currently ruled by a left of center political party which is cutting 6000 surgeries."

That's because they ain't really social democrats. They are paid by the corporations, lack the will to stand up and raise taxes.

"And yes, Harper is pro-private alternatives to health care. We've known this for a long time. What I said was that his government has not cut health care funding; the hypocritical liberals and NDP would be all over him and he'd fold like a pancake just like he did last fall when under pressure to take this country into a deficit."

As I said, as costs increase, not increasing funding is a de facto cut. Harper knows it, because it is a strategy he is employing.

Josh said...

"As I said, as costs increase, not increasing funding is a de facto cut. Harper knows it, because it is a strategy he is employing."

The provinces fund their own health care.

Christopher said...

"The provinces fund their own health care."

You are obviously living in a fantasy land where the Prime Minister can't use the bully pulpit to lead.

Christopher said...

Also, equalization payments come from the Federal government.

Josh said...

Why would the prime minister turn on his voter base and purposefully come out in full force for socialized health care. That's not his mandate.

As well, equalization payments are retarded. They subsidize the failures of one province at the expense of others. And obviously, if BC is a "have" province, they don't get equalization payments, they get robbed.