Friday, November 21, 2008

Left-Wing

The left-wing: A political wing that believes it is ok to take rights from those it doesn't like, and fight for rights of those it does like. A political wing that doesn't believe an individual should be awarded for hard work and success through the market, but instead all of the rewards created from the hard work and success should be shared among everyone, especially those that did not contribute, simply because they exist. A political wing that believes in bailing out the rich in the name of keeping jobs for the middle-class, jobs the market place is trying to purge from existence like my stomach purges booze after drinking too much vodka. A political wing that promotes peace, and at the same time supports a president who wants to place 40,000 troops in Afghanistan. Apparently the troops that have been there for the past 8 years haven't helped the opium trade boom enough. A political wing that fights passionately over the right for a mother to slay her child before birth, and completely ignores the existence of the child; changing and manipulating the definition of human life to support this position. A political wing that doesn't understand rights are owned by an individual, not dependent on others. A political wing that likes to create rights, such as "health care", irregardless of the existing rights that are being trampled. A political wing that rails against bigotry and racism and yet, loves to define people based on class, affiliation, location, income, job, education, or anything else they can think of that separates people instead of bringing them together. A political wing that imagines a government that can provide for all and works hard towards this end, all of the while doing more harm than good and trampling those who get in their way.

This is a reaction to reading this.

I understand the linked article does not represent the opinions of every individual that would associate themselves with the left-wing.

This is also not a defense of the right-wing, as the right-wing line of thought is just as disturbed and misguided. This right-wing/left-wing stuff needs to become a thing of the past. Neither wing should be allowed to interfere with the way an individual chooses to live his or her life.

16 comments:

Chris said...

"The left-wing: A political wing that believes it is ok to take rights from those it doesn't like, and fight for rights of those it does like."

LOL, that's not the leftwing. That's the Christian tradition. Get your facts straight.

"A political wing that doesn't believe an individual should be awarded for hard work and success through the market, but instead all of the rewards created from the hard work and success should be shared among everyone, especially those that did not contribute, simply because they exist."

The free market created an annual salary of 6773 dollars in 1990 dollars in 1920. That is not a reward. Moreover, factory workers simply do not exist. They help create the wealth and profit that business owners enjoy.

"A political wing that believes in bailing out the rich in the name of keeping jobs for the middle-class, jobs the market place is trying to purge from existence like my stomach purges booze after drinking too much vodka."

And replace it with depression, low wage jobs similar to the 3 dollars paid to Chinese workers, or the 6773 dollars paid to workers in 1920. What a wonderful world!

"A political wing that promotes peace, and at the same time supports a president who wants to place 40,000 troops in Afghanistan. Apparently the troops that have been there for the past 8 years haven't helped the opium trade boom enough."

Using the war as a way of converting liberals to conservatism is disgusting. That's Ron Paul's strategy.

"A political wing that fights passionately over the right for a mother to slay her child before birth, and completely ignores the existence of the child; changing and manipulating the definition of human life to support this position."

Unlike the hypocrites on the right who favor an unconcious bunch of cells over the rights of a self-conscious woman. And no, the definition has not been changed. Traditionally, Christians thought that the human soul started during the "quickening".

"A political wing that doesn't understand rights are owned by an individual, not dependent on others."

They are completely dependent on other people. You can not be an individual by yourself. Everything you know, have learnt, and will know is the result of other people acting in a community. Jack London's fantasy land is a great expression of strength in the face of adversity, but that's it.

"A political wing that likes to create rights, such as "health care", irregardless of the existing rights that are being trampled."

The right, a political wing that supports poverty.

"A political wing that rails against bigotry and racism and yet, loves to define people based on class, affiliation, location, income, job, education, or anything else they can think of that separates people instead of bringing them together."

The right, a political wing that ignores basic economic divisions and how capital is produced: through the use of labor, paid in wages.

"A political wing that imagines a government that can provide for all and works hard towards this end, all of the while doing more harm than good and trampling those who get in their way."

Sorry, wrong again. That might be a little true for welfare liberalism, but not really. Welfare liberals are only for some government. And the left, i.e. the real left, is for the control of production by the working class. Has that happened? No.

"This is also not a defense of the right-wing, as the right-wing line of thought is just as disturbed and misguided. This right-wing/left-wing stuff needs to become a thing of the past. Neither wing should be allowed to interfere with the way an individual chooses to live his or her life. "

That's the problem, eh? The left-right divide won't go away. As long as there is a worker and capitalist humanity will be having this debate.

Josh said...

"The bald, egg-headed guy was obviously invited there to make Schiff look better, because he has no idea what he is talking about."

The article I referenced was a leftist who supported taking away religious rights.

"Using the war as a way of converting liberals to conservatism is disgusting. That's Ron Paul's strategy."

Obama's soon to be secretary of state supported a pre-emptive strike on Iraq, which led to the murdering of millions of civilians. That is disgusting. How workers suffering with lower wages bothers you more than murdering millions of civilians I'm not so sure, but I'm sure you'll justify it somehow.

"Unlike the hypocrites on the right who favor an unconcious bunch of cells over the rights of a self-conscious woman. And no, the definition has not been changed. Traditionally, Christians thought that the human soul started during the "quickening"."

As far as I'm concerned I wasn't conscious until I was 3. And I'm still a "bunch of cells". And you're referencing christians for defending your definition of life?

"They are completely dependent on other people. You can not be an individual by yourself."

Actually you are an individual all by yourself. As an individual you exist within a community where you can decide how you contribute, and other can decide how to award you for those contributions. Its that you live in a community of other individuals that makes the free market work.

"As long as there is a worker and capitalist humanity will be having this debate."

Do you really think the political debate will never evolve beyond what is considered left and what is considered right?

Chris said...

"Obama's soon to be secretary of state supported a pre-emptive strike on Iraq, which led to the murdering of millions of civilians. That is disgusting. How workers suffering with lower wages bothers you more than murdering millions of civilians I'm not so sure, but I'm sure you'll justify it somehow."

Because domestic issues hold more sway on domestic populations. If Ron Paul really wanted to be against the war, he would be part of the democratic party. But since he is really not moral, and not really libertarian (his Christian-Judeo values trump his universal, humanist values), he is merely a Republican siphon for new recruits. Morality doesn to stop at charity!

"As far as I'm concerned I wasn't conscious until I was 3. And I'm still a "bunch of cells". And you're referencing christians for defending your definition of life?"

But it doesn't matter then, because you are no longer part of the mother's body. It is a moot point because there is no longer of a woman attached to a fetus.

I referenced the history of the definition. No more.

Josh said...

"Because domestic issues hold more sway on domestic populations. If Ron Paul really wanted to be against the war, he would be part of the democratic party."

Yes, because the democratic party has never taken the US into a war or killed innocent civilians...

Douglas Porter said...

The Democratic Party is much less likely to lead us into a war and much less likely to follow, even though it is and has.

Josh said...

The democratic party is going to put 40,000 troops in Afghanistan. Of course they are just as likely to go to war. Before Bush, the Democrats were always the most likely to go to war and use US military and treasury to murder civilians.

I can understand your rejection of Paul, but I cannot understand your support of a political party that is so obviously corrupt and so completely unresponsive to the people it represents.

Douglas Porter said...

They're driving backwards. The war in Afghanistan was justified because of 911, while Iraq was not. Are you suggesting

I don't support the Democrats. I support their actions in relation to the New Deal.

Josh said...

Why was the war in Afghanistan justified because of 911?

Douglas Porter said...

Because Osama was supposedly being helped by the Taliban.

Josh said...

Right, but the US Government has never actually charged Obama with any crime.

Josh said...

Osama*

Josh said...

And even if they did charge Osama with a crime, capturing him does not justify murdering thousands of civilians and destroying their property.

Chris said...

OSAMA< NOT OBAMA

Chris said...

"And even if they did charge Osama with a crime, capturing him does not justify murdering thousands of civilians and destroying their property."

You'll have to take that up with the constitution, because the constitution leaves such matters open to the discretion of congress and the president. It is their DECISION. Which means, and I know you've got a little neo-con talking head inhabiting your skull, that the founders did not assume that property was a fundament of the constitution, and it clearly shows that they thought other nations and their values might become a threat, I.E. England or any of the great powers of the time..

Josh said...

What are you talking about? Who was arguing about the constitutionality of the war?

Douglas Porter said...

You said "justify". War is a political response supported by the constitution.