tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4421235343254516215.post2973989955643328806..comments2023-11-02T05:34:10.717-03:00Comments on FC2: The StruggleUnknownnoreply@blogger.comBlogger8125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4421235343254516215.post-36514981437517704112009-05-20T08:03:58.728-03:002009-05-20T08:03:58.728-03:00"Nope, says history. In reality, i.e. history, the..."Nope, says history. In reality, i.e. history, the "rights" of others have been trampled upon by others over and over and over again.."<br /><br />Which is why government is needed to protect individual freedom. . .<br /><br />"Nope. We deny freedom to those who think they have the freedom to kill or main other people. Homophobia, sexism, and racism are no different and the freedom to act upon these vile ideas should be limited rationally."<br /><br />Only limited to the extent that these people do not infringe on the freedoms of other individuals.Joshhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11767804643244272599noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4421235343254516215.post-77624411254606749372009-05-19T21:21:54.371-03:002009-05-19T21:21:54.371-03:00"Well, says you. In reality, freedom is limited on..."Well, says you. In reality, freedom is limited only by the rights of others."<br /><br />Nope, says history. In reality, i.e. history, the "rights" of others have been trampled upon by others over and over and over again.. Ignoring this fact is tantamount to lying to oneself to make reality fit one's ideology. <br /><br />"Because this would impose on the rights on the slaves. . ."<br /><br />Yes, which means that freedom is limited for a reason. We don't just allow freedoms willy-nilly, without thought. <br /><br />"Well, unfortunately, they are. Society is not perfect."<br /><br />Nope. We deny freedom to those who think they have the freedom to kill or main other people. Homophobia, sexism, and racism are no different and the freedom to act upon these vile ideas should be limited rationally.Douglas Porterhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15359337036751530516noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4421235343254516215.post-79895981180966376252009-05-19T09:07:00.000-03:002009-05-19T09:07:00.000-03:00"because freedom has limits, limits imposed by the..."because freedom has limits, limits imposed by the will of the body politic"<br /><br />Well, says you. In reality, freedom is limited only by the rights of others.<br /><br />"people are not free to own slaves"<br /><br />Because this would impose on the rights on the slaves. . .<br /><br />"people are not free to be racist, sexist, homophobic fuckheads simply because they own a business"<br /><br />Well, unfortunately, they are. Society is not perfect.Joshhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11767804643244272599noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4421235343254516215.post-1971683663493726772009-05-18T22:11:00.000-03:002009-05-18T22:11:00.000-03:00There is no such thing as "The Government". If wan...There is no such thing as "The Government". If want to boot the current establishment out, you must taken action and organize or demonstrate them out of office. Until this happens, the libertarians will continue to sound like the crazy boneheads they are.Douglas Porterhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15359337036751530516noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4421235343254516215.post-34056101041271288012009-05-18T22:09:00.000-03:002009-05-18T22:09:00.000-03:00Sorry, freedom means jobs shipped to China. Sorry,...Sorry, freedom means jobs shipped to China. Sorry, freedom means employers being able to fire at will, hence crushing union drives. Sorry, freedom means rights, which means a woman has a right to control her body. Sorry, freedom doesn't mean you can kill people, because freedom has limits, limits imposed by the will of the body politic. Sorry, Freedom will not be accepted by thinking people wihtout argument, as a means unto itself. Sorry, Freedom is not necessarily a positive value. Sorry, people are not free to own slaves. Sorry, people are not free to pay slave wages. Sorry, people are not free to be racist, sexist, homophobic fuckheads simply because they own a business. Sorry, and finally, people are not free to ingore the facts the want to ignore. That sort of freedom is known as the freedom to lie to oneself, and is inherently negative.Douglas Porterhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15359337036751530516noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4421235343254516215.post-90840095593630313942009-05-17T10:29:00.000-03:002009-05-17T10:29:00.000-03:00The point is that as we move forward the people wi...The point is that as we move forward the people will not be able to afford to ride the fence.<br /><br />And thank you.Joshhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11767804643244272599noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4421235343254516215.post-64662349856979858602009-05-17T07:14:00.000-03:002009-05-17T07:14:00.000-03:00nicely wrtten by the way. This cpould have been an...nicely wrtten by the way. This cpould have been an editorial in any newspaper!Sheldon Furlonghttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16015719870761637481noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4421235343254516215.post-47827168861923325492009-05-17T07:13:00.000-03:002009-05-17T07:13:00.000-03:00we the people want to ride the fence on most iss...we the people want to ride the fence on most issues thus our politics beomes dumbed down to medocrity to mirror "we the people".Sheldon Furlonghttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16015719870761637481noreply@blogger.com